Overview
When a disaster strikes, the damage is only the beginning - the insurance claim process can feel just as overwhelming. In this episode, we break down what policyholders need to know after a major loss, from the critical first steps to protecting your property, to common mistakes that can derail a claim. We explore why insurance claims are both cooperative and adversarial, how early decisions can impact your final settlement, and why having the right experts on your side matters. Whether you’re dealing with building damage, lost contents, or business interruption, this episode offers practical guidance to help you stay organized, protect your rights, and work toward a fair and timely recovery.
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Let's face it, when a major disaster hits your property, whether it's your business or your home.
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Yeah.
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It's just completely overwhelming.
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Absolutely. A fire, a big storm, suddenly everything just stops.
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Yeah. You're dealing with the immediate chaos, the damage, and then right on top of that, there's this whole insurance claim process looming.
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And for most people, that process feels like. Whoa. Like trying to navigate a really unfamiliar, tough landscape.
[00:00:27 - 00:00:33] Host
It really does. The sources we looked at even suggest it can feel, you know, almost more stressful than the disaster itself sometimes.
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That definitely comes across. You've just gone through this huge crisis. Now you face this complicated system just to try and recover.
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And what really jumped out from digging into this material is this key idea, just having the insurance policy, that's really only step one.
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It's just the beginning. What you do, your actions, right from that first moment, the loss happens, that significantly impacts the final settlement. You get.
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So it's not passive at all.
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Not at all. That's what this deep dive is about. We're unpacking expert advice from our sources on the crucial do's and don'ts for property claims.
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Right. The goal is to help you understand the steps, maybe avoid some common mistakes.
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And hopefully improve your chances of getting a fair recovery, you know, in a reasonable time.
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And to really get this, we need to grasp something. The sources call out right away, this sort of dual nature of the process.
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Yes. That it's simultaneously cooperative and adversarial.
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Cooperative and adversarial. Okay, that sounds like a contradiction right there.
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It feels like one, doesn't it? But it's so important to keep that tension in mind. On one hand, yes, you have to cooperate with your insurer.
You have duties.
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Okay.
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But on the other hand, it's often a negotiation. Your interests and theirs might not always perfectly align, especially when it comes to the final dollar amount.
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Right. So let's start breaking that down. First point. The sources emphasize your policy is more than just paper. It's a contract.
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Exactly. It's a legal agreement. It spells out duties and responsibilities for both sides of you, the insured and the insurance company.
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And your first duty is.
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Your first key duty, contractually, is to notify the insurer that a loss occurred. Simple notification.
That's the cooperative part. Starting immediately.
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Makes sense. Notify them. But even before that call, the sources really stress taking immediate action at the site. What are those first steps?
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This is absolutely vital, and it links straight back to that contract. In those initial hours, maybe days, you have a duty to take all reasonable steps to Preserve and protect your insured property.
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Okay, reasonable steps. What does that actually mean when things are probably chaotic?
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Well, it varies, of course, but it always includes basic security. Boarding up openings to stop looting or just people wandering in.
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Right.
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Keep people out and protecting what's left from the elements. You know, tarps on a damaged roof, covering up sensitive equipment if it's exposed.
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Things that could get worse if you just leave them.
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Exactly. And the sources give some good examples, like spraying oil on machinery parts to prevent rust after water damage.
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Oh, interesting detail.
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Or paying special attention to electronics. They're really vulnerable to corrosive damage from smoke residue, even if they weren't directly burned.
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Things you wouldn't necessarily think of right away.
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Precisely. Controlling access is also about safety, preventing injuries. The source even mentions maybe needing security guards if it's a large or hazardous site.
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Okay.
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And if part of the structure is unstable, you might need to cordon it off, maybe even limited demolition to prevent collapse.
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So safety first.
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Safety. And preventing further property damage. That might mean moving undamaged goods somewhere safe, away from exposure or potential theft.
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And what about really irreplaceable things?
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Definitely prioritize those. If you have, say, vital records, books, manuscripts, getting those secured should be top of the list in that immediate aftermath.
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Okay, so first, safety, security. Stop the bleeding, essentially. Then you make the call to the insurance company. But there's a big warning about that call.
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Yes, a very important one. When you notify them, whether it's the company directly or through your agent or broker, you're almost certainly going to be asked, so, how much is your loss?
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And the advice here is crucial. Don't guess.
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Do not guess. Be extremely careful. This is where that adversarial element can subtly creep in. You are under no obligation to estimate a dollar amount right then and there.
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Why is guessing so bad?
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Because if you throw out a low number, maybe because you're unsure or just trying to be helpful, the sources warn, that number can kind of anchor the claim. The insurer sets a financial reserve based on it.
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Ah. So it sets expect.
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And it makes it much harder later on to justify and settle for the true higher amount. Once you've actually assessed everything properly.
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Wow. Okay, so just state the facts exactly.
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Report that the loss occurred, briefly, explain what happened. That's it for now. Soon after, they'll send out a company adjuster.
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And their job is.
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Their job is to investigate. They gather facts, get a first look at the damage, and also look for subrogation possibilities.
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Subrogation. Remind me what that is?
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That's when the insurance company, after paying your claim, tries to recover that money from a third party who might have been responsible for the loss.
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Like a faulty contractor or something.
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Exactly. Or maybe someone who caused an accident that damaged your property.
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Got it. So the adjuster is fact finding, including potential liability elsewhere.
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Right. So cooperate with providing facts about the incident itself. But again, the advice is don't guess answers, especially about the value of the damage or complex policy details.
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If you're not sure, because their job is ultimately for the insurer, remember they.
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Work for the insurance company. Their interests aren't always perfectly aligned with yours. You'll get your chance to provide detailed valuations later once you've had time to prepare.
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Okay, so initial protection done, careful notification made. What's the next major phase?
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Once those immediate steps are sorted, the responsibility, according to the sources, really shifts to you to measure your own claim. This is a huge step.
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Measure the claim myself. That sounds daunting.
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Well, the crucial advice here is focus on getting your business operations back up, if that's relevant, or stabilizing your situation. Don't try to become the expert claims preparer yourself.
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Ah, okay. So delegate the claim prep.
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Yes. Leave that very detailed, often complex work to experts. And the sources are very specific about.
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Whose experts they need to be your experts, right?
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Absolutely. You need experts and consultants who work for you. Their loyalty is to you. Their job is to advocate for your best interests under the policy.
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That makes sense. So how do you organize this big task of measuring the loss?
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The recommendation is to set up a dedicated claim management team. Early on, designate one person as the team leader.
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A point person.
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Yes. This team needs to first dig into your policy, really understand the coverage, and then map out a strategy for preparing all the claim documentation. Everyone needs clear roles.
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And this is when you bring in those experts.
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Exactly. This is the time to secure your own team. Maybe a public adjuster who works for policyholders. Perhaps specific consultants like engineers or accountants, depending on the loss.
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Okay. And any key organizational tips for this team?
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Yes. The sources list several practical steps. Funnel all claim related communication through that team leader. Keeps things consistent.
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Good idea.
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Document everything. Keep a detailed log of activities, conversations, decisions. Set up a separate general ledger account just for tracking all loss related expenses.
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Meticulous tracking.
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Very meticulous. And make sure claim management is integrated with your operational recovery efforts. They need to work hand in hand.
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Right. Not in separate silos. Oh, okay. Team established, experts engaged, plan in place. Now actually valuing the damage. Let's start with the building itself.
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Okay. Building damages the insurance company Will likely hire their own contractor or consultant to scope the damage and estimate repair costs.
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And you just accept their number?
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You can review it, but the strong advice from the sources is to hire your own expert. A building consultant, maybe a trusted contractor working for you to do an independent measurement.
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Why is damage assessment not straightforward?
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You'd be surprised. There can be a lot of subjectivity in defining the scope of the damage. What exactly needs replacing versus just repairing? Your expert might see things differently or catch omissions.
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Okay.
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And critically, your policy dictates how the loss must be measured. That might be different from how a contractor normally bids a job.
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How so? Give me an example.
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Well, the source mentions plaster versus drywall. Maybe your building had plaster walls. Your policy might entitle you to the cost of replacing with plaster, Even if current practice is to use drywall, which might be cheaper.
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Ah, so your expert measures based on the policy entitlement, not just the cheapest repair.
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Exactly. They measure the loss according to policy terms, which could mean valuing the replacement based on the original, perhaps more expensive construction method.
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And the level of detail required is intense, extreme detail.
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You need to itemize everything. We're talking foundation, framing, sheathing, insulation, siding, roofing, interior finishes, electrical, plumbing, Hvac, every component quantities, unit costs.
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Totals a massive inventory.
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Basically, pretty much. And then there's depreciation, Especially if you have actual cash value or ACV coverage. How depreciation is calculated can really affect your payout.
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And that varies.
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It can. Sometimes only materials depreciate. Sometimes labor does too. It depends on the policy and state law. Your expert needs to ensure it's calculated correctly based on your situation.
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Okay, that covers the building. What about everything inside? Furniture, equipment, inventory, business, personal, property.
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Same principle. Meticulous detail is key. Maybe even more so here. You need a full inventory of everything damaged or destroyed.
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Everything. Like down to paperclips?
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Well, maybe not paperclips individually, but certainly everything from major machinery down to the contents of desks and stock on shelves. Description, quantity, age, Original cost, if you have it.
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But you said not to rely on original cost for value, right?
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Historical cost is useful information. But for the claim, you absolutely must get current replacement cost estimates. What would it cost to buy that.
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Item today and get those estimates in writing?
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Definitely get written quotes from suppliers or vendors. Your claim needs solid backup because the insurer will verify your values during negotiations. Document everything.
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Okay. Building contents, then the big one for businesses, business interruption, lost income. Sounds very complicated.
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It often is the most complex piece. And the source material is unambiguous. Here. You really should hire your own expert, usually a forensic accounting firm, to prepare this part of the claim.
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Don't rely on the insurance company's accountants.
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The insurance company will hire their own forensic accountants. They'll scrutinize your financials, sales history, production records, expenses.
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But they work for the insurer.
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Correct. Even if they're from an independent firm, their client is the insurance company. Their role is to analyze and often challenge your calculation on behalf of the insurer. They don't represent you.
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So your expert is your advocate in that calculation.
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Exactly. You need someone who understands your business, your numbers, and crucially, how to interpret and apply the often complex BI coverage language in your specific policy.
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And you need to provide a lot of financial data.
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Yes. Be prepared to share detailed financials and be ready for the subjective areas that always come up.
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Like what? What's subjective about lost income?
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Well, things like how long is the actual period of restoration? That's the time frame the policy covers income loss for. What would your sales and expenses have realistically been without the loss? That involves projections.
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Projections are always tricky.
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Very. Did you incur extra costs to speed up recovery or keep operating? Are those covered? The source uses a restaurant fire example.
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Right. How do you project future growth? Market changes, new competitors?
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Exactly. All those factors influence the lost income calculation. They're often judgment calls, potentially open to interpretation. Under the policy, you need your expert making a strong, well supported case for your position, not just accepting the insurer's view.
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It really highlights needing your own specialists. What about mitigating this loss? Is that a factor?
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Yes. Another contractual duty. You have to take reasonable steps to reduce the business interruption loss. Resume operations partially. Find temporary solutions if possible.
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Like the example of the manufacturer.
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Right. Their key machine was damaged, they couldn't produce, so they paid a competitor to make their product temporarily. The extra cost was covered under their policy and it prevented a much larger income loss claim. Smart move.
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Okay, so you've gathered everything documented meticulously with your experts, building contents, bi. Now it's time to talk settlement. Any final tips here?
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When you meet the adjuster to settle, remember, if they don't have full authority to agree to the final number. Right. Then you don't have to commit either.
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You can take time to think.
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Absolutely. Take time to review any offer thoroughly. Ask questions. If you need follow up meetings to discuss discrepancies or provide more support for your numbers, insist on them.
Don't be rushed.
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And there was a really strong warning about signing documents at the end.
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A huge warning. Be incredibly careful if they ask you to sign a general release to get your settlement payment.
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Okay, what's the danger there? How is it different from just agreeing on the claim amount?
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It's fundamentally different. Normally you sign what's called an agreed proof of loss to get paid. That document confirms the value of the damages you know about at that time.
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So it settles the known claim.
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Yes, but crucially, signing just a proof of loss is usually preserves your right to reopen the claim later if additional damages are discovered. Maybe hidden water damage emerges months later.
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Wow, okay. Leaves the door open a crack.
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Exactly. A general release, however, is typically a final sign off. It usually means you forfeit all rights to any further claims related to that incident ever, even if new problems surface later.
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Wow, that's a massive difference. So you really need to know what you're signing.
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Absolutely critical. Understand the document and its implications before you sign. And also keep track of deadlines in your policy. Time limits for filing the claim, the proof of loss, even for lawsuits, if it comes to that. Miss those and you could lose your rights.
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This whole journey from the disaster itself to that final signature, it as sounds incredibly detailed, demanding, and yes, potentially contentious.
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It really is. And the sources state very clearly, the insurance company adjusters, their accountants, their contractors, they are very, very knowledgeable. They do this every day.
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So going into unprepared, if you lack.
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Comparable knowledge or expert support, the sources call it a prescription for disappointment. You might need help to level the playing field.
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Which brings us back to that initial paradox.
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Exactly. The cooperative versus adversarial nature. You must cooperate, provide information, documentation, access. That's your duty under the contract.
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Okay.
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But you also have to be ready for the negotiation, the adversarial part, especially when it comes to valuing the loss scope, depreciation, lost income projections, these are areas where financial interests often diverge.
[00:15:26 - 00:15:30] Host
Understanding that tension, that it's both things at once, seems like the key to navigating it.
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It absolutely is. Success in a property claim really comes down to being prepared, organized, proactive, improving your loss, and often getting your own expert help to make sure your claim is measured and presented properly.
[00:15:42 - 00:15:46] Host
So the big takeaway from this deep dive, boiling it all down, I think it's this.
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The more you truly appreciate that an insurance claim is simultaneously cooperative and adversarial, the better positioned you'll be to achieve a full and timely settlement. It's about fulfilling your duties while actively protecting your own interests.
[00:16:01 - 00:16:05] Host
Definitely something crucial to keep in mind if you ever face that incredibly challenging situation.